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quarta-feira, junho 29, 2011
O colapso é o último método de simplificação
Novo governo, novo PEC, o saque fiscal aumenta uma vez mais... talvez o colapso seja mesmo a salvação de quem trabalha. Recordo Clay Shirky:
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"In 1988, Joseph Tainter wrote a chilling book called The Collapse of Complex Societies. Tainter looked at several societies that gradually arrived at a level of remarkable sophistication then suddenly collapsed: the Romans, the Lowlands Maya, the inhabitants of Chaco canyon. Every one of those groups had rich traditions, complex social structures, advanced technology, but despite their sophistication, they collapsed, impoverishing and scattering their citizens and leaving little but future archeological sites as evidence of previous greatness. Tainter asked himself whether there was some explanation common to these sudden dissolutions.
The answer he arrived at was that they hadn’t collapsed despite their cultural sophistication, they’d collapsed because of it. Subject to violent compression, Tainter’s story goes like this: a group of people, through a combination of social organization and environmental luck, finds itself with a surplus of resources. Managing this surplus makes society more complex—agriculture rewards mathematical skill, granaries require new forms of construction, and so on.
Early on, the marginal value of this complexity is positive—each additional bit of complexity more than pays for itself in improved output (Moi ici: Juro que ainda ontem à tarde me lembrei disto ao passar numa rua quasi só para peões, ao lado do hotel Dighton em Oliveira de Azeméis, e que nos meus tempos de infância era parte da Estrada Nacional nº 1, a estrada mais importante do país) — but over time, the law of diminishing returns reduces the marginal value, until it disappears completely. At this point, any additional complexity is pure cost. (Moi ici: IP4 versus A qualquer coisa, ou A1+A29+A32 todas paralelas)
Tainter’s thesis is that when society’s elite members add one layer of bureaucracy or demand one tribute too many, they end up extracting all the value from their environment it is possible to extract and then some.
The ‘and them some’ is what causes the trouble. Complex societies collapse because, when some stress comes, those societies have become too inflexible to respond. In retrospect, this can seem mystifying. Why didn’t these societies just re-tool in less complex ways? The answer Tainter gives is the simplest one: When societies fail to respond to reduced circumstances through orderly downsizing, it isn’t because they don’t want to, it’s because they can’t.
In such systems, there is no way to make things a little bit simpler – the whole edifice becomes a huge, interlocking system not readily amenable to change.(Moi ici: Percebo melhor a loucura grega... e a nossa) Tainter doesn’t regard the sudden decoherence of these societies as either a tragedy or a mistake—”[U]nder a situation of declining marginal returns collapse may be the most appropriate response”, to use his pitiless phrase. Furthermore, even when moderate adjustments could be made, they tend to be resisted, because any simplification discomfits elites. (Moi ici: Os incumbentes. Tanto podem ser uma empresa do regime, como os instalados na carreira da Função Pública)
When the value of complexity turns negative, a society plagued by an inability to react remains as complex as ever, right up to the moment where it becomes suddenly and dramatically simpler, which is to say right up to the moment of collapse. Collapse is simply the last remaining method of simplification." (Moi ici: Há uma poesia nisto...)
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ADENDA: Ontem à noite, 23h25, enquanto ouvia na SIC-N Helena Garrido a justificar a razoabilidade de criar um país com dois regimes, um para os incumbentes demográficos, e outro para os jovens, para salvar os dreitos adquiridos, escrevi no twitter: "Helena Garrido a dar argumentos que favorecem o sentimento positivo com a ideia da bancarrota do Estado português" é a derradeira alternativa de simplificação"
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"In 1988, Joseph Tainter wrote a chilling book called The Collapse of Complex Societies. Tainter looked at several societies that gradually arrived at a level of remarkable sophistication then suddenly collapsed: the Romans, the Lowlands Maya, the inhabitants of Chaco canyon. Every one of those groups had rich traditions, complex social structures, advanced technology, but despite their sophistication, they collapsed, impoverishing and scattering their citizens and leaving little but future archeological sites as evidence of previous greatness. Tainter asked himself whether there was some explanation common to these sudden dissolutions.
The answer he arrived at was that they hadn’t collapsed despite their cultural sophistication, they’d collapsed because of it. Subject to violent compression, Tainter’s story goes like this: a group of people, through a combination of social organization and environmental luck, finds itself with a surplus of resources. Managing this surplus makes society more complex—agriculture rewards mathematical skill, granaries require new forms of construction, and so on.
Early on, the marginal value of this complexity is positive—each additional bit of complexity more than pays for itself in improved output (Moi ici: Juro que ainda ontem à tarde me lembrei disto ao passar numa rua quasi só para peões, ao lado do hotel Dighton em Oliveira de Azeméis, e que nos meus tempos de infância era parte da Estrada Nacional nº 1, a estrada mais importante do país) — but over time, the law of diminishing returns reduces the marginal value, until it disappears completely. At this point, any additional complexity is pure cost. (Moi ici: IP4 versus A qualquer coisa, ou A1+A29+A32 todas paralelas)
Tainter’s thesis is that when society’s elite members add one layer of bureaucracy or demand one tribute too many, they end up extracting all the value from their environment it is possible to extract and then some.
The ‘and them some’ is what causes the trouble. Complex societies collapse because, when some stress comes, those societies have become too inflexible to respond. In retrospect, this can seem mystifying. Why didn’t these societies just re-tool in less complex ways? The answer Tainter gives is the simplest one: When societies fail to respond to reduced circumstances through orderly downsizing, it isn’t because they don’t want to, it’s because they can’t.
In such systems, there is no way to make things a little bit simpler – the whole edifice becomes a huge, interlocking system not readily amenable to change.(Moi ici: Percebo melhor a loucura grega... e a nossa) Tainter doesn’t regard the sudden decoherence of these societies as either a tragedy or a mistake—”[U]nder a situation of declining marginal returns collapse may be the most appropriate response”, to use his pitiless phrase. Furthermore, even when moderate adjustments could be made, they tend to be resisted, because any simplification discomfits elites. (Moi ici: Os incumbentes. Tanto podem ser uma empresa do regime, como os instalados na carreira da Função Pública)
When the value of complexity turns negative, a society plagued by an inability to react remains as complex as ever, right up to the moment where it becomes suddenly and dramatically simpler, which is to say right up to the moment of collapse. Collapse is simply the last remaining method of simplification." (Moi ici: Há uma poesia nisto...)
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ADENDA: Ontem à noite, 23h25, enquanto ouvia na SIC-N Helena Garrido a justificar a razoabilidade de criar um país com dois regimes, um para os incumbentes demográficos, e outro para os jovens, para salvar os dreitos adquiridos, escrevi no twitter: "Helena Garrido a dar argumentos que favorecem o sentimento positivo com a ideia da bancarrota do Estado português" é a derradeira alternativa de simplificação"
segunda-feira, janeiro 05, 2009
Why do societies fail?
Uma proposta de resposta é dada por Jared Diamond:
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"when Elites “insulate themselves from the consequences of their decisions, advancing their own short term interests against the interests of overall society.”"
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"when Elites “insulate themselves from the consequences of their decisions, advancing their own short term interests against the interests of overall society.”"
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